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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 20:41:40 PST
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Info-Hams Digest            Thu, 18 Nov 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1362

Today's Topics:
                          CENSORSHIP WARNING
           CW QSO's, New hams who need practice read this!!
                              DSP units
                        Elmers are Dead, etc.
                  Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS!
              FCC Running in High Gear:  ~40 days for N9
            FCC Running in High Gear:  ~40 days for N9VLS
                   Gary bashing ---> crossed wires
                       Icom 24AT and 2AT STOLEN
               Mitrek channel element schematic needed
                        Mods for Yaesu FT-530
                   Multipel Yagis on a single mast
                          qsl to 6W6/F5OWB?
               Using modified HT in emergency (2 msgs)
                            What is RATT ?

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 23:48:59 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu![e-mail]
Subject: CENSORSHIP WARNING
To: [e-mail]

This notice is to warn all net posters that within our elements is a
small group that is attempting to practice censorship; if they do not
agree with your viewpoint, they will contact your postmaster to
complain that you are intentionally attempting to create animosity
on the net or that your article has no relation to the newsgroup topic.

One person has done this to me [re: BARF = Bestiality Amateur Radio
Fraternity, which was my tongue-in-check response to the Lambda
gay radio club {BTW, my postmaster thought the BARF article was funny}];
now, someone else, who has been posting articles on .policy in which
some have found a little offensive, has been reported to his postmaster
[which is funny, since he is the postmaster of the system he posts
from!].

So, my friends, beware! There is no absolute freedom of speech on
.misc and .policy. These folks will decide when you've crossed the line
[which they themselves have drawn] as to what's ``proper'' and what's not.
[And they're doing this from their corporate accounts on company time;
hmmm, I wonder if their employers realize this....]

Jeff NH6IL (ex: WA6QIJ)

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Date: 18 Nov 1993 15:58:21 -0500
From: news.sprintlink.net!clark.net!clark.net![e-mail]
Subject: CW QSO's, New hams who need practice read this!!
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Warren E. Lewis) writes:


>>Jeff Jones ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: >After reading a bit I realized that hams who just passed their 5 wpm
>>: >code test are nervous about making their first CW contacts on the air
>>: >(I was!).  If you just passed, working on upgrading or need your first
>>: >CW contact please send me some email and I'll be more then happy to work
>>: >you. It will be nice and easy with no pressure on you to be perfect. I will
>>: >work with you and resend as many times as you need until you get it. So if
>>: >you have been scared to get on the air using CW this is your chance! Let
>>: >me know what time and frequency and let's do it! 73!
>>

>Ditto

>Even though my code copying speed is only around 10wpm I too am willing
>to help anybody that is struggling to get on and make their first CW
>contact!! I remember my first one, which was only about 7 months ago.
>I have had the bug ever since!!

>Just send me email and we can work out a sched.

>     Young CW fanatic - Warren (KD4YRN)

Well, I got my no-code license in the mail the same day I passed my 5WPM
code exam.  There are two things holding me up from my first contact
(which will be via code &^)  )

 1)  I need to tune an antenna up

 2)  Even more important than the first, I need to finish my
     MS Thesis &^)


But I will get there from here !!!

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Date: 16 Nov 1993 00:31:29 GMT
From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!concert!inxs.concert.net!rock.concert.net![e-mail]
Subject: DSP units
To: [e-mail]

The best one for the money IMHO is the Timewave DSP-9. For $169.95
it does everything the NIR-10 ($349.95) does. It uses a  row of
pushbuttons to select combinations of modes. It has just the
right combinations of bells and whistles for both cw and ssb
operation: Noise reduction, mulitple tone removal (auto-notches),
high pass filters, and cw narrow bandpass filters 100/200/500 Hz.

I've owned the DSP-9, NIR-10, NIR-7, and W9GR filters. Still have
the DSP9 and DSP59.

73,  NT4O
/exit

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Date: 16 Nov 93 07:28:54 EDT
From: munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!mercury.wright.edu!desire.wright.edu!matrix.cs.wright.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Elmers are Dead, etc.
To: [e-mail]

Chris,

I was out in Ogden UT back in June for a week on Govt. Business. I took
my 2 meter Handheld with me. I ran into the same problem as you, no one
would talk to me either. I happen to be on of those "old timers" (got
my license in 1968) with advanced class license. What both of us have
experienced is the fact most Hams tend to be cliquish, that is they
dont talk with people they are unfamilar with. I know this is a very
broad generalization but, this statement made from the experience of
having to live in cities other the one in which I spent most of life.

As a interesting side note I was living in the Northern Va area of
Washington DC metro, while talking to a friend of mine from work
KD4DN, we were told "Get the hell off this repeater" by some unkown
person. So dont feel to bad about being ignored, the DC area has
more obnoxious Ham per capita.

73, Wes WB8CEH

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 02:26:32 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!icaen![e-mail]
Subject: Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS!
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Chris Levin) writes:

>Hello,
>
>This letter is addressed to the group as a whole but particularly towards
>Gary McDuffie.
>
>Gary reciently replied to the following letter:
>
>  (From Doug N0YVW)
>
>  Question: Now what?  I don't have a clue about what the controls
>  on the front of my trusty old HW-101 do (whats a final? What's a
>  Driver Preselector) How do I regulate my power output? In short,
>  what in the world do I do?
>
>  Etcetera......
>
>
>Gary's less than helpful reply was:
>
>  Now, if that doesn't say something about the current licensing
>  situation, nothing will.
>
>
>Now, before I give my response I want you all to know that it is
>not my intention to start a flame war nor to beat on Gary any
>more than I feel he deserves.  However, I have read and listened
>to too many responses of this type from people who claim to be
>HAMS. (By this I mean that a true HAM is not just someone with a
>ticket.)  I have finally reached the end of my rope so its time to
>respond!
>

Actually, for those who've been hammering on Gary, I'd advise that
you take another look at his comment in light of the plethora of advice
and wit he makes available on the net (yes, I'm serious, folks).  I've
posted many questions to the net, and in most cases, somewhere along the
line I end up with an explanation from Gary which usually ends up among
the clearest and most concise explanations I come across...including this
particular question, which he responded to on the info-hams newslist where
some kind soul cross-posted it for me...and which he later reposted to this
group.

>Old hams helping new hams, Yea right.  First of all, most of you
>old hams don't even bother to respond to a call you don't know.
>Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to call KB7YOU monitoring,
>get no reply and then 30 seconds later hear one of you old farts jump
>on and start talking to a fellow geriatric case?  It happens way to
>often for me to believe that you just happened to turn on your radio 20
>seconds after I stop calling.  Well, after having this happen lots
>of times on repeaters and U/Vhf simplex, I decided to jump into HF.
>

Ever tried joining a net?  My first rig was a 2-meter handheld.  The day
I got my license, I ran inside and grabbed it, and called, "N0YVW listening."
Nada.  I was at it most of the day, and getting depressed.  I went for a drive
that night to get into some other repeater areas.  Same thing.  I was getting
ready to come home, when on the repeater I happened to be monitoring, I heard,
"QST all Linn County Hams for the CVARC Monday Night Net.  This net meets
every Monday Night at 8:30 on the CVARC 146.745/145 repeater.  Net Control this
evening is WB0ULO, Russ..."  When it came time to log in to the net, I managed
to squeak, "N0YWV...err, make that N0YVW, Doug, from Iowa City."  And he
came back to me!  "Net recognizes N0YVW, Doug from Iowa City.  That sounds
like a pretty new call."  He noticed!
 "Ticket just came in the mail today."
 "Well, then, welcome to Amateur Radio, Doug!  I hope you enjoy it as
much as I do!"
 That was a great welcome, as far as I'm concerned.  Made up to me for
what I got locally.

 Care to know some of my secrets for getting people to come back
to me?  Listen to them talk about their interests, what they do, whether
they work on the repeater or are always putting up antennas.  Then, when you
have a question about their area of interest, give them a call!  For example,
One local ham, KA0CNN, is an avid DXer, always going to antenna parties, and
is involved with maintaining the local repeater.  One day, I was soldering
some coax connectors and just couldn't quite get it right.  I heard him
call, "KA0CNN mobile monitoring."  So I came back with, "KA0CNN KA0CNN, this
is N0YVW, do you have time to answer a quick question?"  Yes, he did, he told
me where to find the info I needed, and even offered to drop by a photocopy
of it.  I've done the same with other things--posted requests for info to the
sunday and monday night nets and gotten answers back, come back with answers
myself, etc.  I've gotten good results.  I'm still not on the "in" crowd,
but people recognize my call and come back to me some, I come back to them
and don't feel squeamish about it.

>I've got my code down and I'm looking forward to the test not so
>I can talk to any of you but simply to prove that a young, stupid,
>Nintendo playing no code can enter your glorified world of HF.  If
>anything HF is worse.  You flip on your kilowatt powered xcivers,
>and blow apart the airwaves do discuss the state of your bowels with
>a friend two states away.  You can't even here me over your self
>generated noise.  Not that you would respond if you could.
>

You've obviously got a lot of hostility toward the OT's.  I'm trying to
pass my general, too (I'm Tech/Hf now), and hope to upgrade this Saturday.
But not to prove anything to anybody other than myself, and if I don't manage
to pass the code, that's cool, too.  There's always next month (and at the
rate those last few WPM are coming, it might *be* next month. *grin*).
 But if you want to talk about frustrations, drop me some e-mail.  We
can swap stories.

>Gary, would you care to explain to me what is wrong with Dougs request
>for help???
>

The only thing I read into what he wrote about what's wrong with my request
was an indictment of the system that makes you memorize all this kipple that
can be looked up on a table for the exams (coax cable types, etc) rather than
requiring you to learn *useful* things, such as operating procedure.  Correct
me if I'm wrong, Gary.  Anyway, that can be read multiple ways, too--such as,
"Look at what we've got when we have people willing to admit their ignorance
so they can learn more!" :-)

>PS: Doug, If you are still out there and have not figured these
>things out.  Email me and I'll share with you the stuff I've
>learned so far.  I think I can answer most of your questions.
>

Thanx, I'd enjoy corresponding with you (truly).

>PPS: Welcome to the hobby, such as it is.
>

Thank you again! :-)

73, Doug

PS, care to know my experience?  "ELMERS AREN'T DEAD, THEY'VE JUST ALL MOVED
 TO THE INTERNET!"  I've come across so many people willing to give
 me advice:  Gary Coffman, [e-mail], Jim Kerman (KR1S, the
 guy who writes for QST), and so many others in places ranging from
 Canada to Finland (yes!  I got the CERT info in the mail, but can't
 find your e-mail address!  Tnx.).  Good places to check out:
 here, [e-mail] (an excellent place!), [e-mail],
 [e-mail] (I think), just to name a few.

Peace, es 73 -- Keep looking!  bad experience locally doesn't mean bad all
over.


--
__  /|  | Douglas J Renze, N0YVW  |
\'o.O'  | [phone]         |             IN GOD WE TRUST
=(___)= | [e-mail]  |           All Others Pay Cash
   U    | [e-mail] |

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Date: 16 Nov 1993 16:29:56 GMT
From: koriel!newscast.West.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!webrider![e-mail]
Subject: FCC Running in High Gear:  ~40 days for N9
To: [e-mail]

In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Bill Blum) writes:
> Well, I took the test on 10/3...
> and got my license today, 11/15.  (Effective date 11/09).
>
> Sure beats the 12 week wait times I was reading about this summer while
> studying for the exams.
>
>
> 73 de N9VLS

Looks like they processed us on the same day!  Test taken 9/25 (plus a week
for mailing in due to a mistake on the form) License received 11/12 (also
effective date 11/9).  Congrats to you and perhaps we'll meet on the airwaves!

73 de N9VLP

---
--
-- Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems  ***DoD #0795***   93-ST1100
--               Itasca, IL       ***AMA #682049***
--     ***HRCA #HM125617**
--        *** N9VLP ***

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 00:34:50 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!sage.cc.purdue.edu![e-mail]
Subject: FCC Running in High Gear:  ~40 days for N9VLS
To: [e-mail]

Well, I took the test on 10/3...
and got my license today, 11/15.  (Effective date 11/09).

Sure beats the 12 week wait times I was reading about this summer while
studying for the exams.


73 de N9VLS
--
Bill Blum  [e-mail]    Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN
Reality is for those who can't handle subscribing to IASFM and Model Railroader

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Date: 17 Nov 93 18:22:09 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!dragon!nj8j![e-mail]
Subject: Gary bashing ---> crossed wires
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Ed Hare - KA1CV) writes:

> In rec.radio.amateur.misc, [e-mail] (Michael Owen)
>
> >Several individuals have pointed out to me that I have
> >my Garys confused.  Guess I shoulda kept my mouth shut.
> >-sigh-
>
> Yeah, but some of us well-known newsgroup types joined you in your
> confusion. :-). I had just assumed that I missed the original
> post, and when I saw Gary Coffman . . .

I suspect it's because we're so used to seeing GC's posts end with a lone

Gary

at the bottom.  Usually, it's fairly distinctive, but in this case, the
other Gary 'signed' the same way, and we all, Pavlovian-like, assumed it
was GC.

Ben

+---------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
| Ben Coleman NJ8J                      | "All that is not eternal is     |
| AX.25:  NJ8J@W4QO.#EAL.#ATL.GA.USA.NA |         eternally out of date." |
| Internet: [e-mail]          |                     C. S. Lewis |
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Date: 18 Nov 93 11:34:40 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Icom 24AT and 2AT STOLEN
To: [e-mail]

Hi all. I just wanted you all to know that 2 of my radios were stolen. If you
see them, give me a call at [phone]. This is my pager; just enter your
number at the prompt (with area code, please). Here is what was stolen:
Icom 24AT S/N 12176
Icom 2AT S/N 91971
Polaris Speaker/Mic, White WITH ADDED SWITCH ON BACK (small,red/grey slide)
A lot of other stuff went with this stuff, but none of it is IDable. (Would you
believe they got my jump kit, stethoscope, and a lot of other non-marketable
stuff?) Geez...
Thanks folks.
73's
David A. Aldridge KB8EQO, NREMT-A, NAEMD, CPR Instructor

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Date: 16 Nov 1993 16:27:52 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com![e-mail]
Subject: Mitrek channel element schematic needed
To: [e-mail]

 I recently had a Mitrek transmitter channel element (KXN1088A)
re-crystalled and have been having trouble with it meeting the Motorola
temperature compensation specification. The company that re-crystalled it
has re-worked it once and improved it by a factor of 2 but by my measurements
its still just out side the specification.
 This has started me wondering about the channel element circuitry and
the compensation network. Does anyone out there have a schematic of the
element and/or some input on the temperature compensation? Motorola says they
consider the element a non-repairable component and therefore don't
have a manual.


       Derek Toeppen
       WA0ZTI
       [e-mail]


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Date: 18 Nov 93 10:09:00 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com![e-mail]
Subject: Mods for Yaesu FT-530
To: [e-mail]

>
>I am thinking of buying the Yaesu FT-530 dual-band hand held.
>Does anyone know of any modifications for this radio?
>In particular, I was wondering if the receive bandwidth could
>be increased like on some of the Icom handhelds.

Many mods are available. You can extend rx to 950mhz including cellular. You
will also be able to go down to the aircraft band. It is an easy task of
soldering 1 pad to get extended rx and xmit or two to get rx only. I say
easy but actually if you do not have VERY good eyes and a magnifying glas it
is quite a job. If you don't do it yourself they are charging over 100 to do
it at hmafest so think about this. It is a ripoff but it does save you from
destroying your radio.


                   Gil Baron, El Baron Rojo, W0MN Rochester,MN
                   "Bailar es Vivir"
                   PGP2.X key at key servers or upon request

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 01:16:40 GMT
From: cs.yale.edu!ccsua.ctstateu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Multipel Yagis on a single mast
To: [e-mail]

 According to the latest edition of the ARRL Antenna manual,
 an acceptable separation for multible Yagis on a single mast is
 1/2 the beam length of the upper, smaller antenna.
 73s
 Harry

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 23:59:20 GMT
From: spsgate!mogate!newsgate!hofbrau.sps.mot.com![e-mail]
Subject: qsl to 6W6/F5OWB?
To: [e-mail]

wasn't paying attention this morning...
anybody got the qsl info for this dxpedition???


* Chris Terwilliger, AA7WD                 [e-mail] *
* Motorola                                 "And now,                *
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* Tempe, AZ  85284                                     - Dan Rather *

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 23:30:24 PST
From: news.sprintlink.net!crash!slic![e-mail]
Subject: Using modified HT in emergency
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Rick Nimtz) wrote in part:

> Last night on the RACES/ARES net someone read an article about a ham that
> used his HT to contact the sheriff department to summon help for his
> injured friend. They were hiking or something like that in a remote area.
> It seems that his friend had fallen and was badly injured.
>
> Is this a case where the sheriff department's nose is out of
> joint or what? Is it just an urban legend that a person can use any
> radio or frequency to summon aid in life threatening emergency? Or is it
> permissible in the FCC's eyes but not permissible to the county mounties?

What the article failed to mention was that shortly thereafter,
another individual did a similar contact to the SO.  However,
this was done on a primary channel, with no emergency pending,
and without the professionalism of the hapless ham.  The SO was
miffed (rightfully) and actively began the effort to hammer the
latter.  It was then that the former's situation came to light
officially.  Well, it was a much too similar situation and
occurred too close (in time).  So, the hammer fell on both.

I could easily be in the same position some day.  I have the SO
freqs in my Ham HT, I use SO radios and work, and have a call
sign for the SO to boot.  I would do the same thing if placed
into a similar position as this helpful ham.  I would hope to not
have another idiot come along to gum up the works if I were
compelled to perform in a similar circumstance.

--    Mike Shirley        San Diego, CA USA        HAM:WB6WUI
      [e-mail]      guaranteed: [e-mail]
      [e-mail] will send you my PGP Public Key
      [e-mail] will send you info on PGP

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:01:48 PST
From: news.sprintlink.net!crash!slic![e-mail]
Subject: Using modified HT in emergency
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Tom Bodoh) writes:

> The shreriff's department probably knows nothing of amateur radio and they
> apparently felt that confiscation was necessary - even if they personally
> agreed with what he did.  Whether or not the FCC will support him is the
> real issue here.  When studying for my Tech license, one of the study
> questions emphasized that in an emergency, anything goes.  I am not sure
> whether this is addressed in part 97 or how much is left for interpretation.

They knew well of HAM radio.  The SO sponsors RACES locally and
has a number of key sworn deputies who are hams.  Unfortunately,
timing of events coupled with his full cooperation, worked
against him.  Naturally, not everyone in the SO were pleased with
the way this ham was treated.

>
> I hope that the FCC supports him on this and sees to it that the radio is
> returned.  They may ask him to 'unmodify' his radio.  If he is not supported
> by the FCC, is fined and demands a trial, I don't see how a jury (or even a
> reasonable judge) could convict him.  This is all assuming that all facts
> are supportable and it can be shown that he had tried all other avenues of
> communication...

He "voluntarily" gave up his radio to the SO.  I think that the
in the other incident, that guy had his tranceiver confiscated
and was to pay a fine or that the FCC action was pending.  Not
sure about this but I know that more severe action was taken on
the second incident.  Again, timing was a key ingredient.

--    Mike Shirley        San Diego, CA USA        HAM:WB6WUI
      [e-mail]      guaranteed: [e-mail]
      [e-mail] will send you my PGP Public Key
      [e-mail] will send you info on PGP

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Date: 19 Nov 93 03:09:01 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: What is RATT ?
To: [e-mail]

>Kevin Anderson, kb9iua, asks:
>
>Is RATT another way to talk about RTTY (and derivative) modes?
>Does it stand for "radio amateur teletype" by any chance

Depends on who you want to listen to.  Some say that one
was the Navy's way of saying radio teletype and the other
was the rest of DoD's way.

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 01:50:16 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!icaen![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <2c46b1$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>es.p
Subject : Re: What do I do now/

[e-mail] (Arlan R Levitan) writes:

>In article <2c46b1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary McDuffie Sr) writes:
>>[e-mail] (Douglas J Renze) writes:
>>
>>> The manual doesn't give me any help, and I don't seem to be able to
>>>find anything which tells me just how to tweak everything and get on the air!!!
>>
>>>Any help?
>>
>>>Peace es 73,
>>
>>>Doug N0YVW
>>
>>Now, if that doesn't say something about the current licensing
>>situation, nothing will.
>>
>>Gary

>Gary,
>I would suggest you consider turning your ticket in and hanging out on
>CB for the next ten years, where attitudes such as yours constitute
>acceptable behavior.

>Cut the kid some slack, bud, and look up the concept of "Elmering" in
>the books on your shelves. Even doing nothing more than suggesting
>that Doug pick up a copy of the '94 ARRL Handbook and do some reading
>is vastly preferable to your boorish comment.

>I suggest pounder apology is in order

Actually (and I'm the one who posted the original question), I have to
defend Gary.  Both here and in another forum where some kind soul cross-posted
my question, he's the one who provided the most comprehensive answer, and he's
helped me in the past with other questions.  *shrug* -- just my $0.02.

--
__  /|  | Douglas J Renze, N0YVW  |
\'o.O'  | [phone]         |             IN GOD WE TRUST
=(___)= | [e-mail]  |           All Others Pay Cash
   U    | [e-mail] |

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Date: 17 Nov 1993 19:53:41 GMT
From: newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?

In article <[e-mail]> Gary Coffman,
[e-mail] writes:
>I'm assuming you couldn't copy their calls Doug, so I'm asking this
>as a retorical question. Are you sure they *weren't* Novices? Some
>people have a natural talent for high speed Morse, and little interest

Another possibilty is that the were novices doing high speed code
electronically with computers. Novices can't operate the digital modes
except on 10 meters and up, limited to only cw on 80/40/15. But there is
nothing that says they can't use the same computer/hardware they would
use on rtty on 10 to do automated cw on 80 if that band suits their need.
 Automated cw usually is poor on a human fist, but I had a very nice 40
wpm cw contact with 99 percent copy the other night keyboard to keyboard
(below the novice band, we were both general and up). I've recommended
this mode to novices out of our classes who were mostly interested in
computers and stuff.  With good modems FSK has real advantages, but for a
lot of the cheapie modems there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of
difference in the performace between auto cw and rtty (the arq modes like
amtor/pactor are clearly better).  40 wpm is about as fast as I can type,
and the duty cycle is a little easier on the rig than full keydown rtty.
At 50 wpm, my rig starts to lose it, it slurs the dots! :-)

For a pair of hams living far enough apart to need HF propagation to
communicate, and who don't have the skills currently to do fast cw,
computer augmented cw (ooooh, a new buzzword! :-) would give them good
capabilty to keep in touch. MIght abort their fledgling cw skills, might
help them along. But it would work.

73 de Kevin (who likes cw either way, and most any other mode to boot)
WB2EMS

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